Conversations in Calvinism

2 Peter 3:9 - Must the Church Turn or Burn?


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In this episode, with our guest, David Louis, we discussed 2 Peter 3:9 – God is longsuffering towards you, not willing that any should perish, but all should come to repentance.  We disconcurred that the "you" is the church Peter wrote to or the elect, including those not yet born. We disconcurred that the church needs to repent or perish. We disconcurred on if the phase “not willing that any should perish” is a general rule applied to this situation or if it should be restricted to the "you" Peter addresses.  We disconcurred that God's long-suffering could include those who end up perishing, like Noah’s preaching prior to the flood discussed in 1 Peter 3:20. Even though Peter seems to borrow language from Sirach 18, we disconcurred that, Sirach’s use of "all flesh" means mankind. Even though Ezekiel 18 teaches God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked but rather that they should turn and live, we disconcurred this fits a general understanding of 2 Peter 3:9. We disconcurred that the Bible uses general language to describe the extent of Christ's death and God's will to save, but restricted language when talking about predestination or actually forgiving a person's sins or adopting them into God's family. We disconcurred that Peter was addressing misunderstandings Romans 9:22 (i.e. that some were denying God’s will to save and misunderstanding the connection between God's longsuffering and salvation).

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