I met Awad in the Jungle refugee camp in Calais, northern France, in 2015 and he was pretty unforgettable from the off. A Sudanese refugee himself, he helped volunteers with things like distribution, becoming an informal leader within the Sudanese community in the camp.

Whilst living in circumstances hardly fit for an animal, he was always positive, loving and wise… as well as being the best dressed person in the camp.

We recorded this episode late one evening after he’d cooked a big Sudanese feast for me and my sister in his new flat in Edinburgh. We cover some interesting and unexpected themes, from the concept of identity, to change, to patience, to age and more. I hope you enjoy his words of wisdom.

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