Sunshine Incarnate, Jen Carnovale, joins me in closing out the decade with one of the most important punk-adjacent records ever, "We Are The Romans" by the pride of the Pacific North-West, Botch. I truly believe most of the bands that played the Hellfest or Soundwave festivals every year would not have existed without these guys - no Every Time I Die, no Norma Jean. But even more than that, these guys gave rise to a hugely diverse and creative underground scene in the Seattle-Tacoma area that transcended genre and subcultural borderlines, and continue to make some of the most interesting music in subsequent projects to this day. Jen is a delight and a real trooper on this one!

Topics discussed: comedy, fun, motherhood, crying.

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