Jules wrote the book on beer. Brewed is a brilliant snapshot of beer in NZ in 2017. He is also a wine maker (Known Unknown), retailer (Cult Wine), event organiser, educator, sommelier and all round renaissance man. We discussed how beer has changed since the release of Brewed, the differences and commonalities between wine and beer, what beer can learn from wine, terroir of hops and barley, pairing drinks with food, getting stuck in a flavour rut, the pokémonisation of beer and lots more.