This interview with Liana Poutu was recorded not long after COVID-lockdown to get her take on Taranaki iwi community checkpoints. Her story was nothing like what was portrayed with respect to 'roadblocks' in many media outlets, illustrating the benefit of getting such information first-hand. Liana represents the here-and-now of where Te Ao Māori is at in Aotearoa. I always love talking with her and this chat was no exception. This podcast brought to your ears with the support of Te Awanga Estate.