This episode features a conversation between host Pastor Clay and guest TJ Hyer about the challenging passage of Romans 7:14-25. TJ, who is relatively new to Johnson Ferry and involved in their residency program focusing on disciple-making and worship arts.

The discussion delves into the complexities of Paul's internal struggle described in the passage – the desire to do good versus the reality of doing what he hates. TJ emphasizes the importance of understanding the role of desires in the Christian walk, highlighting Paul's joyful agreement with God's law in his inner being despite his struggle with sin.

They explore the timing of Paul's description (present tense, suggesting an ongoing struggle even for believers) and offer encouragement to those who might feel discouraged by their own battles with sin. The main takeaway is that this passage ultimately points to the need for and the victory found in Jesus Christ, who sets believers free from the bondage of sin.

The episode concludes by emphasizing that only Jesus can truly overcome the power of sin in our lives and that this passage highlights our constant need for a Savior and restoration.

Dr. Clay Smith is the senior pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church, located just north of Atlanta, GA. JF, as it is affectionately called, is a healthy, vibrant church committed to helping people find truth, belonging, and purpose in Jesus.