In this compelling episode, Ryan and Frank explore the concept of building a wiser world through systems thinking, psychotechnology, and personal transformation. They touch on systemic dysfunctions (like shareholder-driven capitalism), cultural and political division, the need for wisdom education, and Ryan’s vision for the Mindform app—an immersive, gamified platform for developing practical wisdom.

Frank and Ryan challenge dystopian thinking and propose alternatives rooted in measurable self-betterment, parenting reform, and “sapient societies” built around values, not just profits. This episode weaves between philosophical depth and actionable innovation, offering a visionary yet grounded discussion on societal redesign and individual growth.