Jen and Darren speak to the DNR tech men Arafat and Kevin. Arafat tells us about his experience creating the DNR App and what you can expect, in addition to what's up in his life. Kevin also shares what he's up to with the phone system and show specific numbers. Darren also shares his experience as a guinea pig thus far for Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine Trial, being part of the second 14,000 Phase 3 group.