With the Supreme Court declining to block the Texas Heartbeat Act, Dr. Grazie Christie and Maureen Ferguson chat with legal scholar Helen Alvare about a brief she submitted in support of Mississippi's abortion ban that challenges the faulty argument that the ability of women to achieve economic and social equality depends on abortion. We also re-visit with Erika Bachiochi who worked with Alvare on the brief to discuss her timely and important book, The Rights of Women: Reclaiming a Lost Vision.