We discuss: his not so warm welcome to Sprague football as a freshmen by future nfl player Bill Swancutt, becoming an all American at Whitworth, personal struggles he went through and how he worked with a counselor himself to become a better person, playing tee ball with his future wife, becoming a counselor instead of a youth pastor, moving from a 4k square foot house to living in a tiny bedroom with his wife and newborn daughter + 2 pets, a couple incredible stories of students he’s worked with, a plea for Lehrbaum to rejoin the group chat, and a rapid fire round