In this episode, Jerry Lim, Adjunct Assistant Professor of Art & Music, asks "How do you get past the surface?” as he reflects on his own teaching and learning experiences and his journeys with students. Listen as Lim explores wrestling with biases in terms of content and style and the idea of permission in responding to student work and asking for their feedback. “I want to be as vulnerable as possible in the class,” he says, because “I have a feeling that my students can ask me anything." Join Jerry Lim in getting past the surface to immerse yourself in great student-centered teaching.