Derek is joined by returning guest Susan X Jane (she/her) to unpack the opportunities and challenges of DEI practice in 2024, reflections on the ever-evolving political stories of the moment, intergenerational dialogue and how/when leaders should pass the torch, the power of narratives in shaping reality and unreality, and how Susan contends with uncertainty by softening and surrendering.

Susan X Jane, Principal of Navigators Consulting, has over 30 years of experience exploring race and representation in both the public and private sectors.  Susan is a transracial adoptee—a Black woman raised in a White family and community—an experience that created an early focus on the way race shapes our concept of ourselves and each other.

Susan has worked to address race and racism as a community organizer, nonprofit program developer, professor of communications, and consultant to corporations and impact-focused institutions.  As Principal of Navigators Consulting, she draws on decades of experience to work with organizations in the public and private sectors.

To any who seeks to build a better world, she offers her skills as a teacher, coach, and strategic partner to help create diverse and inclusive environments where the humanity of all is respected and protected.

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