Kev decides there's more money in laundry than photographs, we talk the new 23mm - is it time to swap? We talk about the draw of Fujifilm, ask if IBIS is the X-T4 game changer and discuss best lens combos for talking heads interviews in video mode, plus is mobile tech going to replace the pro photographer's camera skills? Book of the week is Tanya Nagar's New Street Photographers Manifesto: Any Camera, Anywhere and our guest back for part 2 of his conversation with Mullins is Alan Hewitt, wildlife photographer.