This week we welcome back to our program security pioneer Graham Cluley. After starting his career writing the original version of Dr. Solomon’s Antivirus Toolkit for Windows, Graham moved on to senior position at Sophos and McAfee. In 2011 he was inducted into the Infosecurity Europe Hall of Fame. These days, he’s an independent blogger, podcaster and media pundit.

Our conversation takes a sometimes nostalgic look back at the origins of computer malware, what it was like fighting the good fight back then, how things have developed over the years, and what he thinks the future may hold.