In this episode Ben chats with Dan Labroad of Ovation Health and Life Services, providing better benefits at lower costs (and yes, we use him, so we can vouch for that).

Dan discusses:

- the importance of finding a role model to help you understand how a marriage works (Dan didn't witness that growing up himself)

- how you need to learn the importance of "You're right, I'm sorry" and how this particularly hit home when his wife said, "You treat your clients better than you treat me." (Ouch)

- what he had to do to save his marriage when he got over his skis with spending despite losing some big clients

You’ll find more about Dan and other guests from this season on www.untrapped.com