Co-hosts Matt Holmes & Chad DeKay have an incredible conversation with Dr. A.J. Swoboda covering a wide range of topics, all of them leading to Jesus. They discuss the 'why' behind higher education and how to navigate the cultural hot topic of 'deconstructionism' while still pointing people to Jesus. Dr. A. J. Swoboda (PhD, Birmingham) is a pastor, professor at Bushnell University, and an award-winning writer. For nearly ten years, he served as a college pastor on the campus of the University of Oregon. Then, for another decade, planted and pastored a missional church in urban Portland, Oregon called Theophilus that continues to worship to this day.

More from AJ Swoboda: www.ajswobodawrites.com

Theme Music: Simply Beautiful by Scott Riggan (www.scottriggan.com)

Produced by: Austin Schumacher.