Finland based Mirka is one of the biggest sand-paper and tool manufacturers in the world. Today's guest is Mathias Rönnlund, Systems Architect at the company. Piotr speaks to Mathias about the B2B project based on SAP Spartacus. The conversation then moves to IoT and Microsoft Azure and ways of leveraging the Cloud-Native approach without getting into a vendor lock-in situation. Among many other topics, Matthias shares his rule of thumb for managing the organization which is: don't generalize too early. Even at their scale, this rule allows Mirka to operate at a startup's pace, yet with very well organized and set industrial processes. Let's begin!