Today's guest is Tao Lin. Tao is the author of ten books of fiction, nonfiction, and poetry. His fourth novel, Leave Society, was published on August 3, 2021, by Vintage. He also runs Muumuu House, an independent, small press publishing company based in New York, which he started in 2008. Learn more about Tao and his work at www.taolin.us, and follow him on twitter at twitter.com/tao_lin.

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