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#21 Why Leaders Burn Out (And No One Talks About It)
What does leadership really look like behind the scenes?
In this episode, Nicky and Heidi sit down with Nola to unpack her experience as both outside counsel and in-house leader—and how that shift gave her a completely different perspective on people, communication, and decision-making.
From documenting performance conversations to navigating difficult employee situations, Nola shares what most organizations get wrong—and what leaders need to do differently.
But beyond the tactical side, this conversation dives into something deeper:
the emotional weight leaders carry every day.
They discuss:
Why documentation matters more than you think (good and bad)
The gap between what leaders say and what employees actually hear
Why “clear is kind” when it comes to feedback
The difference between advising vs. being in the room
The unseen emotional toll of leadership decisions
How burnout shows up for leaders—even when they look “fine” on the outside
Practical ways to create boundaries and reduce overwhelm
This episode is a powerful reminder that leadership isn’t just about strategy—it’s about people, communication, and carrying responsibility that most never see.
About the show:
Within is a podcast hosted by Nicky Wallace and Ali Payne, of The People Co. It explores what happens when organizations stop chasing surface-level solutions and start doing the real work from within. Each episode unpacks stories of leadership, burnout, growth, culture, and the messiness of being human at work. Whether you’re in HR, leading a team, or just rethinking how work fits into your life, Within offers a candid and refreshing look at how people-first business gets built.
Potential Within website: thepeopleco-com/potentialwithin
Connect with hosts & guests:
Nicky - Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/nwallace515/
Nicky - Instagram: @Freedomtoleadwell
Heidi- Linkedin- www.linkedin.com/in/heidibuttolph/
For more information on The People Co., check out our Webiste: thepeople-co.com
Connect with our Guest:
Nola Cartmill: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolacartmill/
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By The People CoWhat does leadership really look like behind the scenes?
In this episode, Nicky and Heidi sit down with Nola to unpack her experience as both outside counsel and in-house leader—and how that shift gave her a completely different perspective on people, communication, and decision-making.
From documenting performance conversations to navigating difficult employee situations, Nola shares what most organizations get wrong—and what leaders need to do differently.
But beyond the tactical side, this conversation dives into something deeper:
the emotional weight leaders carry every day.
They discuss:
Why documentation matters more than you think (good and bad)
The gap between what leaders say and what employees actually hear
Why “clear is kind” when it comes to feedback
The difference between advising vs. being in the room
The unseen emotional toll of leadership decisions
How burnout shows up for leaders—even when they look “fine” on the outside
Practical ways to create boundaries and reduce overwhelm
This episode is a powerful reminder that leadership isn’t just about strategy—it’s about people, communication, and carrying responsibility that most never see.
About the show:
Within is a podcast hosted by Nicky Wallace and Ali Payne, of The People Co. It explores what happens when organizations stop chasing surface-level solutions and start doing the real work from within. Each episode unpacks stories of leadership, burnout, growth, culture, and the messiness of being human at work. Whether you’re in HR, leading a team, or just rethinking how work fits into your life, Within offers a candid and refreshing look at how people-first business gets built.
Potential Within website: thepeopleco-com/potentialwithin
Connect with hosts & guests:
Nicky - Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/nwallace515/
Nicky - Instagram: @Freedomtoleadwell
Heidi- Linkedin- www.linkedin.com/in/heidibuttolph/
For more information on The People Co., check out our Webiste: thepeople-co.com
Connect with our Guest:
Nola Cartmill: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolacartmill/