Chris is still out on paternity leave, so Jane Portman is filling in as a guest host.

Corey prepares to launch his new podcast Everything Is Marketing. Jane talks about the new direction for Userlist in 2021 becoming a full-blown ESP. They also talk about early-stage SaaS growth, starting and growing a podcast, and the new Swipe Files book club.

Notable mentions:

• Swipe Files Book Club
• Better Done Than Perfect podcast
• UI Breakfast podcast
• Slow & Steady podcast
• More podcasts for bootstrappers

Learn more about their businesses:

• Userlist
• Swipe Files

Follow them on Twitter:

• @uibreakfast
• @coreyhainesco