Seja talks to Darren Cross (Gerling, Jep and Dep) about old times playing in Gerling, how the band was formed, got signed and changed lineup 4 days before a Big Day Out show. They chat about band uniforms, how they got signed to Fellaheen, and his eventual departure from backing tracks and dance music to start playing folk. Seja and Darren chat about the development of his folk noir duo Jep and Dep, home recording at crazy hours and his DIY record label.

Stevie Nicks the dog gets a few mentions.

Darren’s strange show story was illustrated by Helena Papageorgiou. You can see more of her drawings and animations on http://www.helenapapageorgiou.com/ or on Instagram @Hp_secondvariety

All HearSej illustrations can be seen on Instagram @hearsejpodcast or on the HearSej Facebook page.