Phil chats with David Pich, Chief Executive of the Institute of Managers and Leaders Australia and New Zealand .

David is a Cambridge graduate, bestselling author and (controversially, as someone from Manchester), an avid Liverpool supporter. He's worked as a leader for more than two decades, with experience across HR, communications, philanthropy, marketing and sales.

You can find more about David here: https://au.linkedin.com/in/david-pich-5a516b20

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