Jill Wine-Banks joins Nayyera and Jamal to discuss the current state of American democracy. They explore the courts, public pressure, and leadership decisions, examining historical cases and the rule of law. They discuss challenges like expertise, accountability, and the impact of tariffs on farmers. The conversation also touches on media narratives, judicial orders, engaging with Trump supporters, due process for immigrants, and the potential sovereign wealth fund. It reflects on Congress’s power, corporate influence, and the legacies of Nixon and Trump in international relations and sovereignty.