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23. Interspecies ~ a language between us?
“Long ago when animals could speak …”. In this episode we explore the boundary lines between non-human species and ourselves, boundary lines that many indigenous peoples - and our ancestors - did not see, and the ability, or not for communication to pass across that boundary. Today, for western society, it is only in children’s novels that animals can speak and be heard.
So much is invested by animals in the biology of communication and we can teach creatures about human communication but is it inconceivable that they have an ability to speak to us in their form? In maintaining scientific distance do we only allowed artists and musicians to show us that other species have ‘language’ and we should not treat the non-human as less than ourselves?
THEME MUSIC BY DAVID ROTHENBERG. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. USED BY KIND PERMISSION OF THE ARTIST http://www.davidrothenberg.net
TOGETHER WITH ADDITIONAL MUSIC IN THIS EPISODE BY DAVID ROTHENBERG
Some of the ideas and references we make in this podcast can be found here:
Sitting Bull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitting_Bull
Tales from Ovid - Ted Hughes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_Ovid
Chaser - border collie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaser_(dog)
Kanzi - bonobo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanzi
Raven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven
Greater Honeyguide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_honeyguide
Red-tailed Hawk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-tailed_hawk
Watership Down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watership_Down
The Jungle Book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle_Book
The Chronicles of Narnia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia
John Masefield https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Masefield
Sperm Whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_whale
Orca or Killer Whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whale
Blue Whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_whale
Corky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corky_(killer_whale)
David Rothenberg http://www.davidrothenberg.net
Thousand Mile Song https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/jun/07/scienceandnature
Birds Why Birds Sing https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/dec/10/featuresreviews.guardianreview5
Bug Music https://www.bugmusicbook.com
Eisteddfod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisteddfod
Jim Nollman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Nollman
Dolphin Dreamtime http://www.doyletics.com/_arj1/dolphind.htm
Kamchatka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamchatka_Peninsula
Henry Beston https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Beston
Tree networks https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-whispering-trees-180968084/
Plants and sound https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_bioacoustics
Himalayan Balsam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impatiens_glandulifera
David Abram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Abram
Becoming Animal https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/318/becoming-animal-by-david-abram/
Prince Charles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales
Real Magic - Dean Radin https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/551604/real-magic-by-dean-radin-phd/
Day of the Triffids - John Wyndham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Triffids
Evelyn Glennie https://www.evelyn.co.uk
Monica Gagliano https://www.monicagagliano.com
Plant Consciousness https://www.plantconsciousness.com
Plant Intelligence and the Imaginal World - Stephen Harrod Buhner https://www.stephenharrodbuhner.com/about/
Kurukindi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ77sYSqD6o
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By beneaththestream“Long ago when animals could speak …”. In this episode we explore the boundary lines between non-human species and ourselves, boundary lines that many indigenous peoples - and our ancestors - did not see, and the ability, or not for communication to pass across that boundary. Today, for western society, it is only in children’s novels that animals can speak and be heard.
So much is invested by animals in the biology of communication and we can teach creatures about human communication but is it inconceivable that they have an ability to speak to us in their form? In maintaining scientific distance do we only allowed artists and musicians to show us that other species have ‘language’ and we should not treat the non-human as less than ourselves?
THEME MUSIC BY DAVID ROTHENBERG. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. USED BY KIND PERMISSION OF THE ARTIST http://www.davidrothenberg.net
TOGETHER WITH ADDITIONAL MUSIC IN THIS EPISODE BY DAVID ROTHENBERG
Some of the ideas and references we make in this podcast can be found here:
Sitting Bull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitting_Bull
Tales from Ovid - Ted Hughes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_Ovid
Chaser - border collie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaser_(dog)
Kanzi - bonobo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanzi
Raven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven
Greater Honeyguide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_honeyguide
Red-tailed Hawk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-tailed_hawk
Watership Down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watership_Down
The Jungle Book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle_Book
The Chronicles of Narnia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia
John Masefield https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Masefield
Sperm Whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_whale
Orca or Killer Whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whale
Blue Whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_whale
Corky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corky_(killer_whale)
David Rothenberg http://www.davidrothenberg.net
Thousand Mile Song https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/jun/07/scienceandnature
Birds Why Birds Sing https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/dec/10/featuresreviews.guardianreview5
Bug Music https://www.bugmusicbook.com
Eisteddfod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisteddfod
Jim Nollman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Nollman
Dolphin Dreamtime http://www.doyletics.com/_arj1/dolphind.htm
Kamchatka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamchatka_Peninsula
Henry Beston https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Beston
Tree networks https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-whispering-trees-180968084/
Plants and sound https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_bioacoustics
Himalayan Balsam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impatiens_glandulifera
David Abram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Abram
Becoming Animal https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/318/becoming-animal-by-david-abram/
Prince Charles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales
Real Magic - Dean Radin https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/551604/real-magic-by-dean-radin-phd/
Day of the Triffids - John Wyndham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Triffids
Evelyn Glennie https://www.evelyn.co.uk
Monica Gagliano https://www.monicagagliano.com
Plant Consciousness https://www.plantconsciousness.com
Plant Intelligence and the Imaginal World - Stephen Harrod Buhner https://www.stephenharrodbuhner.com/about/
Kurukindi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ77sYSqD6o