In this episode, I interview Donnie Maclurcan. We explore the roots of capitalism, its pros and cons, how money is created, what's missing in economic models, the problem that arises with too much privatization of wealth, and the clever paradigm shift that Donnie proposes with the Post Growth Institute.

Donnie is an Affiliate Professor of Economics at Southern Oregon University and an Executive Director of the Post Growth Institute – an international organization exploring how people, companies and nature can thrive together, within ecological limits. He's taught at the Institute for Sustainable Futures, in Sydney, and at the Institute for Resources, Environment and Sustainability, in Bristish Columbia.