<div>Dr Nigel Paine and Martin Couzins discuss why organisations and individuals need to break through the status quo and how to do it.</div>

Dr Nigel Paine and Martin Couzins discuss why organisations and individuals need to break through the status quo and how to do it.

233: From Scratch #233 breaking the status quo

<p>Nigel is a former chief learning officer and now teaches, consults and writes books on leadership, learning and people development. Martin is a journalist, editor, curator and publisher.</p>

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Nigel is a former chief learning officer and now teaches, consults and writes books on leadership, learning and people development. Martin is a journalist, editor, curator and publisher.

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233: From Scratch #233 breaking the status quo

233: From Scratch #233 breaking the status quo