In this demo episode (recorded BEFORE the TV show was released) Steph tells us the preoccupation with tidying, Marie Kondo's special brand of the Japanese art and why we need to look beyond just being tidying and question our consumption habits. This is going to form the first part in a two-part series, where next week we will be talking about the TV series and the minor cultural moment it has had.

We also chat about the leadership spill crisis that was unfolding at the time and why we might be looking forward to the apocalypse.

If you have a topic you would like either of us to cover, email [email protected] with either "Steph topic" or "Ben topic" in the subject, or tweet at Ben (@SRHGBG) or Steph (@pheebanie).