In this episode of the Motivators Podcast, Emaley McCulloch speaks with Dr. Jamie Hughes-Lika about the Early Start Denver Model (ESDM) and Naturalistic Developmental Behavioral Interventions (NDBI). They explore Jamie's journey in the field of autism and behavior analysis, the importance of developmental appropriateness in early intervention, and the differences between traditional ABA approaches and NDBI. Jamie emphasizes the significance of joyful interactions in therapy and the need for practitioners to understand child development to effectively support young children with autism. The conversation also covers data collection methods in ESDM and resources available for learning more about these approaches.