Sam Pink is the author of several novels and poetry collections, including Witch Piss, Person, and Garbage Times, as well as a painter and multimedia artist. We chopped it up over the phone about doing things just to do them, the spirit of art, being honest, and also being whatever. You can find him on Twitter @sampinkisalive and IG @sam_pink_art. Books and paintings are available directly from him. The essay discussed at one point in the episode can be found on Neutral Spaces.