I sat down with my good friend Sham Aziz to talk about something that feels uncomfortable but necessary.

- Flags on lampposts.
- Protests outside hotels.
- Intimidation & Fear dressed up as patriotism.

But this wasn’t a political conversation, it was a human one.

Sham spoke about growing up British and Muslim, being “othered”, parenting through uncertainty, and finding strength in faith without needing to preach.

We talked about intention vs impact.

About how silence can feel like complicity.

And about why contact centres of all places quietly get inclusion right.

If you’ve felt uneasy but unsure how to articulate it…
If you believe we have more in common than we admit…
If you still think conversation matters…

I’d really encourage you to listen and I hope it's a hopeful episode, I certainly felt hope after chatting with Sham.