Jack Zerbyis not your typical designer. His experience producing music, working at Pentagram and Frog, building startups, pitching to Gary Vee, and now - building tools for creators at Gumroad, puts him square in the middle of a very uncommon career path.

In this episode, I chat with Jack to learn more about what motivated him to grow his career, how to break into design, how to make the transition from a big company to a startup, and what does it mean to build compelling narratives in deck format.

Make sure to check out Jack's upcoming Design for Decksworkshop to change the way you think about presentations.

The podcast was produced by Den Delimarsky. Music by Wataboi from Pixabay.

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