On this episode of Always Sometimes, friend, artist, and organizer Kate Brooks joins me to discuss sculpture, literal and figurative clowns, the freedom found in wallowing, Dirty Dancing, dolls, the varied meanings of "mother", and Denver's infamous Casa Bonita.

Recorded 8/6/24. Hosted and produced by Tom.

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