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25: Neo-Pagan Cultural Appropriation


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY21WDHu3W8   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aePw8fLwYw   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8aBq4eeIE8     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPH2zids7Qw   Cultural Appropriation   Contempt of white culture     Oppression Narrative   Tarot Chick Appropriation    
  • Hurt her to see these symbols - 
  • ADL - The anti-defamation league is a joke for one and nobody should care what they think
  • ADL had these there long before charlottesville. 
  • The idea that these people are not using these correctly is ridiculous. 
  • There is no hate? OK, what is hate here. They are standing up for their culture. They are not appropriating someone elses' culture. It's their culture. Theya re using their own cultural symbols to embolden their own people. These neo-pagans understand this when native americans or indians do this but when whites do it, even they are appropriating their own symbols. LEt me ask you this. What symbols can white straight men use to represent themseleves. What magic can they use?
  • Symbols are disrespected? That's what you are doing
  • She seems most upset that she might be seen as being alt right or might get shade for her hammer
  • paganism is about Love and respect haha I think you're talking about christianity 
  IS this girl even a norse pagan? YT channel and her Thors Hammer   Now the thing that gets me about this video is that this youtuber made this entire video about appropriation but that is exactly what she is doing. I looked through all of her videos. About a hundred. Almost all of them were about Tarot. About a month before she made this video she had a review of some products she bought. Among them, a Thor's hammer and neil gaimans norse mythology, Agruably the worst translation I've read to date. She has the hammer on in about 6 videos and then stops wearing it and even stops talking about norse mythology at all about 3 months after that video.    She is appropriating norse culture. She bought a book, not written by a norse pagan and a hammer bought from etsy from an italisn guy who makes christian, norse and yin yang jewelry, obviosly he is not a pagan, but to make it worse, several of his designs are lifted from a slavic pagan artist pakabone who handmade the thor's hammer I wear everyday.    Survive the Jive made a great comment on this video saying that people can't appropriate their own culture.      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuYLqZYy6-Q   0:58 - Beginning the madness, We're they really racist?   3:40 - blood connection, These tarot people constantly talk about cultural appropriation, I find it interesting that they don't think that applies to european things. Europeans can't appropriate ebven using sage but anyone else can take our culture and do whatever they want with it.   She wishes she didn't have a connection to it just to give a fuck you to pagans who care about their ethnic heritage. I wonder if she would apply the same logic to say, native american spirituality. Would she happily stroll into a native american drum circle with a tribe and relish in the fact that she practices their religion but has no heritage? Would she just think that was the best thing ever. She thinks that is awesome when it happens to european traditions, why not all others   Who you are is not a choice, that is the important key. This is a problem we will see recur in these videos is that to these universalist neo-pagans, identity is a choice. Their path is a choice. So if you choose to be a norse pagan, that's fine, if you choose to practice yoga that's fine, if you choose to be a hindu, that's fine. You just have to make sure that you check with the ethnic originators to make sure you don't offend them... Unless of course you are appropriating something from europeans, in which case, all is fair game.   5:50 - Homophobic - Read the fucking sagas you dunce. This chick is definitely a citizen of the globo-homo-gay-plex   This is more of an aside, but the sagas and norse culture was extremely homophobic. You can agree or disagree with the stance but there is no doubt that the norse had strict gender roles. As I mentioned in my podcast on divorce, a man in the laxerdal saga was divorced by his wife for wearing a feminine shirt.    There was not this free love, choose your identity adventure in their culture and there is something more important to discuss here. Most traditional societies around the world have estrictions on things like homosexuality and transgenderism because it is bad for society. And i mean it's bad because it encourages behaviors that make people infertile. Gays are not making children and trans people, especially if they transition aren't either. But with transgenderism there is a further problem in traditional cultures that if a man behaves and acts like a woman, that is one less man that is capable of defending the tribe with other men. The norse would have had no place for a person like that and probably would have killed them.   Like I mentioned in the last podcast, this obsession with androgeny and sexuality is a hallmark of dying decadent empires. It's understandable that some people don't promote that idea. It's only in the mind of someone that views time itself as the linear christian perspective that would see people being confused and non-reproductive as some kind of triumph on the way to some ultimate equality.   But ultimately this is again someone taking norse culture and overlaying their personal beliefs upon it and deeming the parts they don't like as evil. or in short, they are appropriating    12:00   It's all exactly the same thing. I've written so much explaining how these religions are not the same and their differences are important. The differences are the things that this youtuber is calling racist. She's just lifting the parts that agree with her own worldview and then using them in a youtube video for her own personal profit   Pagan Vs Universal   22:30 - Universality   I wouldn't say that you need to be completely immersed in something to get benefit from it. But you absolutely should be completley involved in it if you are going to call yourself that thing. If you casually read the eddas and the myths, or if you randomly pluck a single norse god to focus on out of it's contect, then you're not practicing norse paganism. You are just appropriating the culture for your own uses.    29:50 - perfectly sums up these neopagans She talks about traditions and gives us her eternal advice. Take what you want from a tradition and throw away the rest. This is neo-paganism in a nutshell. I don't even have much to say except to bring this back to the main point. Is there any other culture that these universalists apply this logic to. Just take from buddhism what you want and trash the rest, Just take from Voodoo what you want and trash the rest.    This makes people spiritual tourists, they walk around other traditions taking the bits they like as though they were shopping. If this is the way you view things, I'll tell you this, you have no religion. Your religion is yourself, you are your own religion. You are taking from everyhting and giving to nothing. In some ways this is like the capitalism of religion, where it is all laid out like a buffet for you to grab the bits you like and reject what you don't. the danger is that these are holistic systems that don't make sense when you take them all out of context. Instead, you end up injecting your own interpretations onto them because you have no way to see them in their original environment.    Isn't this also the exact kind of appropriation that these groups complain about when it is done to other cultures.    30:45 - Your personal truth is all that matters, not truth itself   This just gets at my last point but really shows it's all about the individual, not the culture, not the people not the tradition, just mememememememe   31:50 - Fundementalist? I agree this is ridiculous but let's take a look at your take on the gods race mixing. That's the same thing   Reconstructionist - Well yeah, she says she is into the history but doesn't care about preserving the practices and even goes so far as to guess that the pagans really belived like she does but just forgot by the time of the vikings.    Is that really likely? or is it much more likely that you think and act like a modern person and don't at all think like the ancient pagans did. And even if you could, you wouldn't because you don't care.   These types of neo-pagans are the avatars of cultural appropriation. Everything they do is appropriation because they adhere to no tradition but their own personal indivisual tradition. They gladly pull whatever they want from anywhere and put the rest in the trash.    They do belive in a god and it is themselves. This is no religion, it is narcissistic self indulgence wrapped in spiritual materialism.    They really are modern people.       So    Here's the thing. I don't really care that much about cultural appropriation but I have to hold these neo-pagans to their own standards. If appropriating cultures is bad, Why is perfectly fine to appropriate european culture?   Why is European culture a buffet and other world cultures are a private night club?   From this perspective it's easy to understand where the folkish groups are coming from. they are sick of seeing people like these taking their culture and spinning into a modern, do whatever you want, peace, love and equality religion.   That perspective has no roots in european mythology and is directly lifted from modern perspectives influenced heavily by christianity. these are christian morals being overlayed on top of paganism. And if you want to talk about offensive cultural appropriation, theres nothing more offensive than telling folkish reconstructionist pagans that their religion is really all about the same ideas from christianity that nearly wiped paganism off the planet for good.             
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