It's our 25th episode everversary! Meade Palidofsky is a director, lyricist, and award-winning playwright and is the founder and artistic director of Storycatcher's theater, a nonprofit organization that teaches theater arts to incarcerated and post-release youth as part of their therapy and rehabilitation and has done so for the past 30 years. She has been featured in This American Life. We talk about teaching police and judges empathy through theater, the direct power that storytelling has in healing trauma, and her total indifference and contempt to our points system.

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