At every stop along President Trump’s state visit to Asia in November, he said the U.S. and its allies were stepping up pressure on North Korea. But months on, it seems not much has changed.

In conversation with Cheon Seong-Whun this week we’re taking a step back to consider if we’re looking at North Korea all wrong, and if seeing the country differently could unlock new policy options.

This week's guest:

• Cheon Seong-Whun, visiting research fellow at the Asan Institute for Policy Studies.

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Recorded November 8, 2017. 

Hosted by Luke Vargas.