Rayne and Jo are joined by Jay IRL to discuss being a sequential masochist, Rayne's apology tour, Jay's Shrek Dating Rules, the Shrek 2 soundtrack being a cultural reset, Ring of Keys by Allison Bechdel, MS Paint Warrior Cats animation, the appeal of labor intensive art, Ouran Host Club and gender, M. Night Shyamalan (again), and vaping.

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Our theme music is Big Trucks by I Believe in Julio.