Welcome back to By The Way, In Conversation with Jeff Garlin. Jenji Kohan, creator and writer of Orange Is the New Black is a very talented risk taker. Jenji & Jeff chat about how success makes you more of what you are, crossing paths on Mad About You,   the Electric Slide, the one time Jenji tried one of the gifts she received while working on Weeds, and the belief of happiness as a goal.