In Episode #27 of The Refinery Podcast, Rick Burris sits down with Andy Hall—executive coach, leadership mentor, and (as Rick proudly shares) a true coach’s coach. After a 30-year corporate career that took him from retail leadership in the UK to the U.S. just before 9/11, Andy opens up about the pivotal moments that forced reinvention: being told he “wasn’t capable,” experiencing redundancy, and finally hitting a “burn the ships” moment that ended corporate life for good.

From there, Andy walks through how coaching became more than a skill—it became a calling. You’ll hear how a “Leader as Coach” training transformed his leadership results, why outdated leadership models still create preventable problems in organizations today, and how proximity, mentorship (including Paul Martinelli), and the courage to claim your expertise shaped his next chapter. The conversation also touches on Andy’s work helping build coaching lanes for major initiatives—including God Talks—and his vision for multiplying impact through the next generation of world-class coaches.

In this episode, you’ll hear about:

• The career moments that pushed Andy to pivot (and why they mattered)

• Why coaching changes sales, retention, and performance outcomes

• The difference between “telling” and “coaching” leadership

• Proximity, mentorship, and the discipline of building a real coaching business

• The future of coaching through movements like God Talks

Connect with Andy Hall

• Website: https://andyhallcoaching.com/home

• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andyhallcoaching

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andyhallcoaching/

• X: https://x.com/AndyHallCoach

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andyhall2710/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzyNN5Pj_WcKjttSZFQqB_Q

Explore God Talks

• Certification: https://godtalksteam.com/certification/

• Website: https://godtalksteam.com/