Grown Men Playing with Toys

27 - List Hammer, Math Hammer, Feelings Hammer


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In this episode of the "Grown Men Playing With Toys" podcast, Erik and Steve discuss the community’s negative reaction to a recent Warhammer 40K Balance Dataslate. The conversation frames players’ reactions as a progression thru the steps of: 

  1. “Slate Hammer” - establishing pre-slate expectations that a Dataslate needs to meet to be "good"
  2. "List Hammer" - having fun through list building and optimizing your list through mental reps
  3. "Math Hammer ” - using various resources to calculate and optimize the power of your list into various opponents based on "statically average dice rolls"
  4. Warhammer - actually playing the game where variation comes from various sources: dice variance, Invulnerable Saves, Feel No Pains, Re-rolls, terrain formats, and misunderstood rules 

They encourage assessing your play environment and close by reinforcing the importance of communicating, trying games before doom-spiraling, and experimenting with lists/opponents/terrain.


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Grown Men Playing with ToysBy Steve and Erik