There’s the pain of being broken, and the pain of getting better. One leaves you stuck, the other moves you forward. But both can hurt. In this episode, Scott and Steff unpack the difference between pain that signals something’s wrong, and pain that means you’re healing. Whether it’s the slow work of rebuilding a team or the brutal honesty of realizing you can’t fix it alone, this conversation goes deep on the mindset shift required to move from broken to better. Because avoiding pain doesn’t make it go away - it just makes it permanent.

Progress isn’t painless. But it’s worth it.

Some key takeaways from this episode include:

• The surprising reason your pain points (like high turnover or low cash flow) are symptoms of broken systems

• What happens when you finally admit you need help