In this episode, Geert and Rene sit down with Marcel de Vries, global managing director and CTO at Xebia, to explore the future of IT leadership. Marcel shares key insights from his many years of experience, drawing parallels between past technological revolutions—like electricity, cars, and cloud computing—and today’s rapid changes, such as generative AI. They discuss the psychological barriers to change within organizations, emphasizing how fear and fixed mindsets hinder innovation and Marcel highlights the importance of shifting from rigid, policy-driven models to trust-based, enabling models. It is a fast paced episode with a lot of insights on how IT leaders can prepare their organizations for a fast-evolving future.