EPISODE DESCRIPTION:

Today’s guest is Octave Mesnard, Head of Strategy and Consumer Products at Jumper Exchange. We discuss Jumper’s evolution from a thin cross-chain swap interface into a full on-chain consumer hub, the real challenges of building consumer DeFi products at the right time, and why Octave thinks the multi-chain future will consolidate around far fewer chains than anyone expected.

GUEST LINKS:

* Octave Mesnard: https://twitter.com/octavionotpunk

* Jumper Exchange: https://jumper.exchange

* Jumper Exchange on X: https://x.com/JumperExchange

* Jumper Earn: https://jumper.exchange/earn

Learn how Jumper leverages the vaults.fyi API: https://docs.vaults.fyi/general/case-studies/jumper-earn

HOST LINKS:

* Ryan Rodenbaugh: https://twitter.com/ryanrodenbaugh

* Vaults.fyi: https://app.vaults.fyi/

* Build with our APIs: https://docs.vaults.fyi

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TIMESTAMPS:

[00:00] Introduction

[00:39] What was your initial foray into crypto?

[02:17] Are there any parallels between catastrophe bonds and crypto insurance?

[05:43] Tell us about Valha and Kook Exchange — what did you set out to solve?

[09:10] You had both an API and a consumer interface — was that intentional?

[12:05] Before joining LiFi, you were already working with them. How did that come about and how did you end up joining?

[13:34] When you joined, did you already have a vision for what you wanted Jumper to become?

[15:23] How do you think about where Jumper goes from here — browser, desktop, mobile?

[19:43] Does the Robinhood comparison resonate — one place where users manage everything?

[22:07] Who actually is the “normie” user in crypto?

[23:42] So Jumper started as a thin layer on LiFi’s stack — is Earn the attempt to thicken that?

[26:21] How have you thought about curation on Jumper Earn — what gets listed and what stays out?

[29:10] How do you think about risk scoring more broadly across DeFi?

[34:46] What are your concerns around RWAs coming into DeFi?

[37:28] How do you view the competitive landscape for swapping and bridging today?

[40:22] How did you think about working with vaults.fyi and how do you approach partnerships generally?

[42:01] Outside of your role at Jumper, what’s catching your attention in DeFi right now?

[44:22] You work in interoperability — do you have a contrarian view on the multi-chain future?

[48:58] What is the origin of Octavio Not Punk

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