In this reflective episode, Frank speaks with longtime Mindform member Arwill Recto, a partner, father, and systems thinker deeply engaged in self-awareness and communication. Arwill shares his journey from faith-based volunteer work to corporate leadership, and how burnout and pandemic depression sparked a deeper dive into psychology, stoicism, and purpose.

They explore how self-awareness shapes communication both at work and at home, and how Arwill's growth shifted from being inward and achievement-focused to more relational and altruistic—particularly after becoming a parent. He talks about the challenge of reconciling a return to spirituality with years of secular personal development, and how journaling, reparenting, and the willingness to name his emotions have helped build better relationships. Arwill explains why understanding both the message and the mindset of the listener is key to real connection.

It’s a thoughtful exchange on how inner clarity and openness lead to stronger relationships, more conscious leadership, and ultimately, deeper contentment.