RTN Theology #29 features two theologians who've both recently written brilliant books about 4th Century North African Bishop and theologian St. Augustine: Natalie Carnes (Baylor) & previous guest, James K.A. Smith (Calvin). This wide-ranging and luminous conversation spotlights Dr. Carnes' new book, Motherhood: A Confession (Stanford UP) and branches out to talk about her previous writing on iconoclasm and monuments, justice, memory, and parenting during COVID-19. Paul Zach (featuring Liz Vice) provides our soundtrack with songs from his EP, God is the Friend of Silence.