Back in March 2020, I sat down with Thomas Kearns to record this episode. While the pandemic was raging through Washington and New York state, it still hadn’t reached the Midwest. A few days after we recorded this episode, the pandemic reached the Midwest and everything changed. This episode got lost in the chaos and stress of that time, but I am thrilled to finally release it. 

Thomas Kearns (LinkedIn) is founder of Space to Play, Tortus, and Bitspace. He was a professor and Director fo Design Communication at Illinois Institute of Technology and is currently a Digital Innovation Strategist at Perkins&Will.