In this special episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Jonny Fry is joined by Coen ter Wal (Association for Financial Markets in Europe – AFME) and Meindert Jansberg (Catena / Energy Blocks) for a live discussion from Amsterdam, where the Dutch National Bank has convened experts to explore one of the hottest topics in finance: tokenization.

This episode explores how distributed ledger technology (DLT) is transforming capital markets, from sovereign bond issuance to renewable energy financing, and how the Netherlands continues its long tradition of financial innovation. The guests discuss the growing interest of regulators, the role of banks in enabling digital assets, and the potential of tokenized bonds, stablecoins, and programmable money to close Europe’s mid-market funding gap.

They also highlight how tokenization can unlock new investment opportunities for SMEs, increase efficiency, and reshape the way financial infrastructure operates, paving the way for a more open, data-driven, and composable financial system.

Together, the trio explore:
- Why tokenization matters for Europe’s financial future
- How DLT could reshape SME funding and project finance
- The evolving roles of banks, investors, and regulators in a tokenized economy
- The interplay between stablecoins, tokenized deposits, and CBDCs
- The macroeconomic implications of digital money adoption

Learn more about AFME: https://www.afme.eu/
and Energy Blocks: https://www.energyblocks.nl/
Check out the Digital Bytes blog: https://digitalbytes.substack.com/

Participants:
Jonny Fry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnyfry/
Coen ter Wal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coenterwal/
Meindert Jansberg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meindertjansberg/

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In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Alex Bausch and Jos Röling, captain of the Power of the Many working group, welcome Fabien Bergier, CEO and co-founder of Fractal Energy, for a deep dive into the future of smart energy management and household flexibility.

Fabien shares how Fractal Energy is transforming the way households use and share energy through intelligent battery management, AI-driven optimization, and secure cloud-based pooling. He explains how their Energy Management System (EMS) optimizes battery use in real time to reduce electricity bills, while also managing EV chargers, heat pumps, and solar inverters. The conversation explores why “prosumers” in the Netherlands, households with solar panels, are ideal early adopters, and how Fractal’s approach bridges individual households with national energy markets.

They discuss the importance of cybersecurity and local data control, the role of virtual power plants (VPPs) in reducing grid congestion by up to 20 percent, and how energy flexibility can reshape consumer energy plans. Fabien also shares insights on connecting households into dynamic pools, creating community energy solutions, and enabling better market participation without requiring users to be energy experts.

As the Netherlands adapts to new energy laws and decentralized energy sharing becomes more feasible, this episode highlights how technology, regulation, and digital energy solutions can create more resilient and community-driven energy systems.

🔗 Learn more about Fractal Energy at https://fractalenergy.io/

Participants:
Fabien Berger: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fabien-berger/?originalSubdomain=fr
Jos Röling: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josroling/
Alex Bausch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbausch/

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In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Jos Röling welcomes Vincent van Kalkeren and Ali Karademir from EUTO Energy to explore how software-defined solutions are transforming the way we manage electricity grids.

EUTO Energy is addressing one of today’s most urgent challenges in the energy transition: net congestion. As electrification accelerates and renewable energy sources grow, traditional, hardware-centric systems are no longer sufficient to manage the increasingly dynamic and decentralized flow of power. EUTO’s answer is a virtualized, software-centric energy network that makes grids smarter, more flexible, and far more efficient.

During this conversation, we cover:

• The problem of net congestion: why current distribution networks are hitting their limits and how this impacts businesses and consumers.
• Traditional vs. software-defined approaches: how EUTO replaces dozens of hardware devices with a single software stack that can adapt in real time.
• Adaptive protection and control: enabling dynamic safety margins instead of static settings, unlocking hidden capacity in existing infrastructure.
• Real-world applications: from substations and transmission grids to industrial parks, microgrids, and even island-based off-grid projects.
• Business model implications: how utilities and operators used to think in 30-year hardware lifecycles, and how subscription-based, service-driven models are changing the landscape.
• Cybersecurity and reliability: ensuring that cloud and edge-based solutions remain secure, redundant, and trusted by operators.

EUTO Energy’s vision draws inspiration from the telecom industry’s transformation, where intelligence shifted from hardware to software decades ago. Today, they are bringing the same paradigm shift to the energy sector — unlocking grid flexibility, reducing costs, and enabling a more reliable and sustainable energy system.

🔗 Learn more about EUTO Energy at https://www.eutoenergy.com/

Participants:

Jos Röling: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josroling/

Ali Karademir: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ali-karademir/

Vincent van Kalkeren: http://linkedin.com/in/vincent-van-kalkeren-9050b86/

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The token economy is evolving fast. 🌍

At the 2Tokens MiCAR Symposium – One Year Down the Road, we reflected on MiCAR’s first year, uncovered real lessons learned  and looked ahead at the future of digital assets in Europe.

In this episode, we capture the voices of participants who shared their vision, challenges and insights on where the token economy is heading.
The questions we asked them:

- How can tokenization help businesses operate more efficiently?

- What key trends will drive the adoption of tokenization?

- Why do you believe tokenization will be essential?

You'll also get a glimpse of the moments that made this full afternoon of keynotes, panels and networking.

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In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Olivier Rikken, Head of Research at the 2Tokens Foundation, is joined by Johannes Wirtz, Partner at Bird & Bird Frankfurt and specialist in financial regulation, and Mauro Halve, Head of Compliance at Amdax, for an in-depth discussion on the EU Blockchain Sandbox. Over the past three years and three cohorts, this unique European initiative has brought together regulators and innovators to explore real-world blockchain use cases under strict confidentiality, fostering open dialogue and mutual learning.

The conversation examines what sets the EU Blockchain Sandbox apart from national sandboxes, how it has facilitated regulatory alignment across member states, and the lessons learned from 60 diverse projects ranging from financial services to customs and data protection. The guests share surprising moments, such as debates over NFT classification, insights into MiCA implementation, and reflections on the practical value of engaging regulators early in the innovation process. Whether you are active in tokenization or navigating the evolving EU crypto regulatory landscape, this episode offers rare behind-the-scenes perspectives and valuable takeaways from those who have been at the center of these discussions.

Participants:

Olivier Rikken: https://www.linkedin.com/in/olivierrikken/

Johannes Wirtz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johannes-wirtz/?originalSubdomain=de

Mauro Halve: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mauro-lorenzo/

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In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Alex Bausch is joined by Pascal de Keyser, founder of Portio, and Jonny Fry, founder of Team Blockchain, to delve into the future of real estate through the lens of blockchain, tokenization, and co-living.

With rising urban loneliness and the lack of accessible housing, Pascal introduces co-living as a community-centric, flexible alternative to traditional rentals. From entrepreneurs to seniors, co-living is gaining traction across Europe and beyond, offering a shared space model that blends private accommodation with communal amenities like lounges, co-working spaces, and gyms.

What makes this unique is the exploration of how tokenization can transform renters into co-owners, giving them a stake in both the rental income and long-term value appreciation of the property they live in. Pascal explains Portio’s rent-to-own model, which allows renters and external investors to acquire fractional ownership through low-cost tokens (starting at €40). These tokens are issued via a securitized vehicle in Luxembourg and are built on the Ethereum blockchain, allowing for high transparency, fractionalization, and potential liquidity through secondary markets.

The conversation also covers:

1. The regulatory landscape, including how Pascal’s structure currently operates under Luxembourg’s securitization law and plans to evolve under MiFID II or MiCAR as the platform scales.
2. How co-living differs from traditional short-term rentals or Airbnb models.
3. Plans to expand beyond Andorra to locations in Spain, Portugal, and Italy — especially cities like Valencia, Barcelona, and Lisbon.
4. The role of stablecoins (like USDC) in enabling liquidity and future DeFi integrations such as staking, lending, and collateralization.
5. The technological partnership with Blocksquare and the development of a marketplace for property token trading.

This episode offers a fascinating look at a real-world asset use case already coming to life in Europe. 

Participants:

Pascal de Keyser: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pascal-de-keyser-121084219/

Alex Bausch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbausch/

Jonny Fry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnyfry/

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In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Karsten Bruinsma, Jonny Fry, and Mathieu Cottin explore the evolving landscape of tokenization one year after the introduction of MiCAR, the EU’s Markets in Crypto-Assets Regulation. With a major symposium taking place at Rabobank in Utrecht, they reflect on the progress made so far and the challenges still ahead.

A key theme in the discussion is the growing interest in tokenizing money market funds. The speakers examine why these instruments are becoming central to many digital asset strategies, particularly in Europe, and how tokenization could make them more accessible, transparent, and efficient. They also consider the broader implications for traditional banks and financial markets, especially as tokenized assets begin to offer features like weekly income distributions and real-time settlement.

This episode offers timely insights into how tokenization is moving from concept to real-world application for financial professionals, regulators and everyone who is interested.

Jonny Fry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnyfry/

Karsten Bruinsma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karsten-bruinsma-572572b3/

Mathieu Cottin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mathieu-cottin-96215430/

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In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Jonny Fry and chair of 2Tokens Alex Bausch speak with payments expert Richard Anderson about ANGU, a gold-backed stablecoin aiming to reshape how value is stored and transferred in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Designed to replace unstable and informal USD reserves with a secure, inflation-resistant digital token, ANGU enables individuals and small businesses to make payments, store savings, and send remittances—without needing a bank account. Built to work on basic mobile phones using USSD, it brings financial inclusion to underserved regions.

The discussion expands into global trends, from the explosive growth of dollar-backed stablecoins to the rise of asset-backed alternatives as BRICS and other regions seek to de-dollarize trade. Rather than replicate existing systems, ANGU offers a local, trusted model for everyday transactions, backed by gold, a universally recognized store of value in the region.

Beyond consumers, ANGU targets SMEs, importers, and diaspora communities burdened by high remittance fees and limited infrastructure. The project aspires to reduce costs, revive dormant capital, and build a programmable financial layer fit for local economies—all while navigating regulatory paths and preparing for real-world rollout.

This episode offers a compelling look at how tokenization and mobile-first infrastructure can unlock new opportunities across emerging markets.

Participants:
Alex Bausch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbausch/
Jonny Fry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnyfry/
Richard Anderson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardcharlesanderson/

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In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Jonny, Erich, and Alex take a comprehensive look at the rapidly evolving landscape of digital assets, tokenization, and fintech innovation. They reflect on their recent projects, including the work of 2Tokens in energy, finance, and art, and share insights into how tokenization is unlocking new levels of liquidity, efficiency, and transparency across various industries. The hosts discuss the transformative potential of programmable payments, stablecoins, and digital currencies, highlighting how these technologies can automate processes like real estate transactions, supply chain payments, and debt issuance.

They explore the regulatory challenges and opportunities facing the industry, emphasizing that tokenization is about much more than cryptocurrencies—it's about creating digital infrastructure that enhances global trade, reduces costs, and fosters financial inclusion. The episode features real-world use cases, such as automating payments for shipping or property transactions, and discusses future trends like tokenized bonds and debt markets.

For more information about 2Tokens' educational programs and implementation services, visit 2tokens.org, with the next masterclass series beginning in October 2025.

participants:
Alex Bausch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbausch/
Jonny Fry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnyfry/
Erich Schnoeckel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erichschnoeckel/

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In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, host Alex Bausch sits down with Meindert Jansberg, co-founder of EnergyBlocks (formerly Assetblocks), to explore how blockchain technology is being used to open up clean energy investments to a broader audience. EnergyBlocks offers tokenized green bonds that provide a 6.5% annual return, with a fully digital and automated onboarding, investment, and reporting process. Though powered by blockchain, the platform is designed for simplicity—making it easy for retail investors to participate without dealing with crypto directly.

Meindert explains how their offerings are MiFID-compliant, legally protected, and currently available to European investors, with a minimum investment starting at €5,000. The company is also preparing to launch an equity product, offering potentially higher returns and a deeper connection to project performance.

Alex and Meindert also discuss the future of energy tokenization, including the concept of tracking and settling energy usage via blockchain, the regulatory challenges of turning kilowatt hours into tokens, and the exciting prospects for tokenized energy storage in batteries. It’s a candid look at the practical, legal, and technical layers behind real-world asset tokenization.

To learn more or to invest, visit: www.energyblocks.nl
Investor portal: www.myenergyblocks.nl (EU citizens only)

participants:

Alex Bausch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbausch/

Meindert Jansberg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meindertjansberg/

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