In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, our host Erich Schnoeckel sits down with industry leaders Jan Dijkstra from Greenivity and Robert van Mölken of ExoBlock to discuss the potential of tokenizing renewable energy certificates (RECs). Together, they explore how blockchain and decentralized technology can bring new levels of transparency, trust, and efficiency to the renewable energy market while empowering global communities.

Key topics covered include:

🌍 What are RECs, SRECs, and GOs? – Learn how renewable energy certificates work, their origins from initiatives like the Kyoto Protocol, and their role in promoting the use of green energy.

⚡ Tokenization and Trust – Discover how tokenizing RECs ensures their authenticity, combats greenwashing, and introduces traceability through blockchain technology.

📈 Global REC Markets – A breakdown of how REC markets operate in the US, Europe, and Africa, highlighting challenges like centralized systems, pricing disparities, and regulatory differences.

🔗 Decentralization and Innovation – Explore how decentralizing REC trading can empower energy communities, reduce intermediaries, and create fairer markets for both large and small-scale producers.

🌞 Scaling Sustainability in Emerging Markets – A look at opportunities in regions like Africa, where abundant solar energy and community-driven initiatives could benefit from tokenized energy systems.

This episode also addresses the technical and financial challenges of implementing decentralized exchanges for RECs, the role of calibrated IoT sensors in creating trust, and the potential impact on global carbon reduction goals.

Participants:

Erich Schnoeckel https://www.linkedin.com/in/erichschnoeckel/

Jan Dijkstra https://www.linkedin.com/in/jan-dijkstra-547a232/

Robert van Mölken https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertvanmolken/

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This episode of the 2Tokens podcast features an in-depth discussion on the energy sector and the role of new platforms and technologies. The speakers include Jos Roling, captain of the 2Tokens Energy working group, Kennard Brandenburgh, CCO of Distro Energy, and Edgar Kampers, CEO of Hypha Energy, which specializes in the governance of energy hubs and communities. 

This week's discussion covers topics such as the approach to optimizing energy usage by connecting to real-time markets and changing physical behavior, and the importance of involving end users in local energy production and consumption. The interaction between energy management systems and platforms like Distro Energy is also discussed, as well as the data privacy and asset ownership considerations for energy communities. Hypha Energy's work on developing target operating models and governance structures for these communities is also highlighted. 

This Episode provides insights into the evolving energy landscape, the role of new platforms and technologies, and the shift towards more decentralized, community-driven energy systems. You can expect to learn about the challenges and opportunities in this space, as well as the future ambitions of the companies involved.

Participants:
Kennard C. Brandenburgh: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kcbrandenburgh/
Edgar Kampers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edgarkampers/
Jos Röling: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josroling/

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This episode of the 2Tokens podcast features a discussion on using web3 and blockchain technology to drive customer engagement and build unique communities. The participants include Wouter Kloosterman, founder and CEO of Authic Labs, and Jasper Verbeet, co-founder and CTO of Byont Labs.
The conversation covers a range of topics, including Authic Labs' new loyalty application that incorporates web3 elements, the challenges of onboarding users to web3, and examples of successful projects that leverage NFTs and tokenized assets to engage communities.

Key highlights include:
- Strategies for making web3 technology accessible to mainstream users without overwhelming them with technical details
- Use cases for tokenizing physical assets like watches and wine to create permanent records of ownership and enable secondary markets
- How companies are building unique communities around tokenized assets
- The potential for blockchain to serve as a backend infrastructure while the focus remains on customer engagement and loyalty

The discussion provides insights into the evolving role of web3 in enhancing customer experiences and fostering engaged communities, moving beyond the hype to focus on practical applications.

Participants
Erich Schnoeckel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erichschnoeckel/
Jasper Verbeet: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasperverbeet/ 
Wouter Kloosterman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wouter-kloosterman-0a492abb/

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The podcast episode delves into the empowering communities working group facilitated by 2Tokens over the past year, with a focus on the tax and legal aspects of tokenization and crypto. This week's participants include Erich Schnoeckel, Arie van den Bergen, a lawyer at Finnic Legal who specializes in helping FinTech companies with legal and regulatory advice, including blockchain and crypto, and Dennis Post, a tax partner at EY responsible for web3-related topics in the EMEA region, who has been involved in blockchain and crypto. 

The discussion begins by acknowledgment of the tendency for large organizations to jump on technology hypes, but also a recognition of the need for continuous focus on web3 as it is here to stay. It then examines the changing attitudes towards blockchain and crypto over time, noting how the rigid initial approach of some financial institutions has gradually become more open as the market and regulation have evolved. The role of regulation in maturing perspectives is emphasized, with organizations developing internal guardrails for onboarding crypto-related clients. 
Moving to the topic of tokenization and regulation, this episode underscores the need to apply existing laws and regulations to new technologies, while also considering the unique civil law, tax, and other perspectives that arise, particularly for smaller startups entering the space. The common oversight of tax considerations until late in the development process is highlighted, stressing the importance of early tax planning.
Clearer guidance and taxonomy from regulators is needed to help classify different types of tokens and their tax treatment, noting the perceived reluctance of some authorities to provide practical advice to the market. The discussion then turns to the regulatory landscape, with a critique of the lack of official guidance and a call for a balanced approach that supports innovation while maintaining necessary guardrails. 

Erich, Arie and Dennis emphasize the need for collaboration between the industry and authorities to navigate this evolving space. Finally, the discussion turns towards the future, predicting the widespread adoption of tokenization and highlighting the importance of legal wrappers and compliance for decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs) as the space continues to evolve. 

Participants
Erich Schnoeckel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erichschnoeckel/
Arie van den Bergen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arievandenbergen/
Dennis Post: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dennisrpost/

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In the podcast, Leon Gerard Vandenberg, Adri Wischmann, and Joel Dietz engage in a conversation about the intersection of blockchain technology, energy, and community benefits. Leon, the CTO for the energy working group at 2Tokens, starts by discussing the importance of turning regulatory thought leadership into practical applications, particularly in the context of solar energy and its potential as a community asset.

Adri, co-founder of Blockchain Lab Drenthe, shares his experiences with blockchain projects, including the development of the Energy wallet, which was used in the Dutch municipality of Emmen to distribute government subsidies for energy-saving products. This project was highly successful and helped change perceptions of blockchain as an energy-intensive technology. Adri also discusses other projects focused on employee benefits and combating energy poverty.

Joel, a longtime collaborator of Leon’s and a pioneer in projects like Metamask, contributes his thoughts and reflections throughout the discussion, getting deeper into how blockchain can be harnessed for societal good. The podcast explores how these technologies can be made more accessible and beneficial for communities, particularly in the realm of energy.

Participants:

Leon Gerard Vandenberg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leongvandenberg/

Joel Dietz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joeldietz/

Adri Wischmann: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adri-wischmann/

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In this episode Shermin Voshmgir, Founder of the Token Kitchen and Author of Token Economy, and Alex Bausch, chairman of 2Tokens, discuss the evolution and future of tokenization, particularly in the context of blockchain, Web3, and digital assets. Together they reflect on the progress since the early days of tokens, the complexity of updating content in books to match current developments, and the expansion of decentralized finance (DeFi) from a minor topic to a significant focus area.

Shermin and Alex go deeper into how tokenization is often equated with digitalization and emphasize that it's more than just finance—it can involve various rights like voting, management, and information. They draw parallels between the early internet and current blockchain technology, noting that while the general public is still unfamiliar with Web3, its impact could be transformative once a major application (like Facebook was for the internet) emerges.

The conversation touches on regulatory challenges, particularly how national laws struggle to keep up with global digital services and decentralized systems. Shermin and Alex express that regulation is often outdated, complicating the adoption of new technologies. They also discuss the potential of tokenization in various sectors, particularly finance, real-world assets, and energy, noting that while tokenizing assets is the "low-hanging fruit," the real transformative potential lies in more complex use cases.

The discussion concludes with advice on how to approach token system design—starting with clear economic and social goals before addressing technical and legal aspects. This approach can help navigate the "Wild West" of the current regulatory environment more effectively.

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Alex Bausch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbausch/
Shermin Voshmgir: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherminvoshmgir/

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In this episode of the 2Tokens Podcast, Erich Schnoeckel, Edgar Kampers and Leon Gerard Vandenberg discuss the DENYSE Project, an initiative focused on energy communities and the use of secure sensors on solar panels to track and trade green energy. Together they outline the project's goal to create a secure, traceable energy ecosystem. Sunified's Unity chip plays a crucial role by tagging energy for trust and transparency.

Edgar highlights that the DENYSE Consortium aims to build software modules for virtual power plants and energy asset management. The project targets energy hubs—places where energy is produced and used locally, which is crucial in the Netherlands due to network constraints.

Leon discusses the challenges of decentralized energy, referencing European policies that support local energy production. The conversation touches on the new Energy Act in the Netherlands, which facilitates decentralized energy ownership and trading, and the role of tokenization in crowdfunding and managing energy assets.

This episode emphasizes the need for standardization and collaboration within the industry to ensure interoperability and maximize the project's impact. The DENYSE Project plans to pilot diverse energy communities by the end of 2024, aiming to demonstrate and then expand these local energy solutions.

Participants:

Erich Schnoeckel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erichschnoeckel/

Edgar Kampers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edgarkampers/

Leon Gerard Vandenberg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leongvandenberg/

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Today's podcast features a discussion on tokenization with Terence Norman from Blue Tractor and Graham Rodford from Archax, hosted by Johnny Fry. 

Archax is a UK-based regulated digital securities exchange. Graham's journey started in asset management and led him to crypto in 2013. By 2020, Archax became the UK's first regulated digital securities exchange custodian, allowing them to operate in both crypto and securities. They have been developing their platform for six years and are now at a stage where they believe the world recognizes the value of moving assets on-chain. Graham mentions their efforts to set up a European hub in the Netherlands post-Brexit, highlighting the region’s strong regulatory environment and the establishment of their European operations there.

Blue Tractor offers a unique ETF structure that protects the manager’s investment and trading strategies, distinguishing it from fully transparent ETFs. A fun fact from the episode is that the name "Blue Tractor" has an interesting origin, inspired by Terry’s experience on a small farm in Essex, England, where the initial ideas for their structure were conceived while he was on his blue tractor. 

The focus of this episode is on the practical aspects of tokenization and its relevance. Graham describes tokenization as the process of recording ownership on a blockchain or distributed ledger technology (DLT). He explains that tokenization streamlines the tracking of ownership for various assets like shares, cars, or houses, which can traditionally be recorded on paper, spreadsheets, or databases. 
Terry highlights the benefits of tokenizing actively managed mutual funds. He explains that ETFs already have a form of tokenization as each share represents a portion of the underlying portfolio. However, tokenization can bring additional benefits like intraday liquidity and lower trading costs. 

Participants:

Jonny Fry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnyfry/

Graham Rodford: https://www.linkedin.com/in/graham-rodford/

Terence Norman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/terence-norman-4bab73197/

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In this episode, Jonny Fry (co-founder of TEAM BLOCKCHAIN) and David Parsons (founder of NiftyOne) discuss the challenges and solutions related to storing and managing digital assets, especially with the rise of central bank digital currencies (CBDCs) and stablecoins. Together they highlight how, in the past, banks managed physical assets and accounts, but with digital assets, individuals now bear the responsibility of managing their own assets, which requires reliable hardware and software.

David addresses these challenges by talking about possible solutions for digital assets. This includes devices that are radiation-hardened and can withstand extreme conditions, resembling a large coin for physical security. They offer redundancy through twin devices stored in secure locations to prevent loss. The system also incorporates two-factor authentication and spending limits to prevent theft and unauthorized transactions.

The technology behind Nifty One comes from the defense industry, ensuring high security. It uses NFC for easy transactions, making it practical for everyday use, like buying coffee or a car. The solution aims to provide a tangible, secure way to store and use digital assets, addressing the need for infrastructure as digital asset adoption grows. For more information, visit https://niftyone.co.uk/index.html.

NiftyOne enables institutionally compliant liquidity for any Real World Assets (RWAs) on its digital asset wallets. It provides the necessary tools, systems, infrastructure and global liquidity for the creation, management, titles of ownership of real (tangible or intangible) ‘property’. NiftyOne has created  business processes and liquidity enabling the title of assets to be used in real time for the payment of goods and services. Its software technology and systems have been developed to support the creation of legally recognised and institutionally compliant titles of property in a process known as RWA ‘tokenization’.

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Jonny Fry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnyfry/
David Parsons: [email protected]

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