Welcome to a very special episode of the Inclusive Stages podcast. A conversation centered around defining inclusion, creating a shared vision for this work, and establishing a brave space for difficult conversations. Because we can only become stronger and more connected people, organizations, and artists when we learn how to engage in hard conversations. 

I'm joined by two of my favorite collaborators and incredible colleagues, Zena Collins and Dr. Charmain Jackman. We sit down to discuss the state of inclusion work—especially the big question of how to keep pushing forward as inclusion practitioners despite what’s going on in the world around us.

I hope this episode can serve as a model for creating brave spaces built on trust, respect, relationship building, and what it looks like to engage in conversations from that place. 

Grab all the links and resources mentioned in this episode at: 

https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/3-black-women-3-takes-inclusion-work-in-2024

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Thanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.