Timestamps: 

00:00 - Intro 

00:35 - Hugh talks about transition from designer and mobile dev to product management 

03:12 - Discussing workflow, being in meetings vs heads-down doing work 

06:10 - On specialization in big tech vs wearing a lot of hats at a startup 

07:55 - Jon discussing the balance between building new features and refactoring/maintenance to support future development 

10:45 - How do we decide what to work on? 

12:50 - What are we optimizing for in our jobs? 

14:35 - Are we doing it for the money? 

15:50 - Hugh likes his manager 

17:20 - So what are your thoughts on crypto? 

18:50 - We get paid to learn! 

20:20 - On the perils of being surrounded by techies 

23:30 - Work culture makes us want to work more 

24:30 - Earning to give 

26:15 - Monk life 

28:20 - Hugh likes being with family  

31:40 - Jon wants to ride his bike to work 

34:00 - Why is Singapore cool? 

35:11 - Jon wants to run for mayor of Los Angeles and fix traffic 

35:53 - BITCOIN!! 

38:00 - Hugh and Jon switch sides 

40:22 - Jon wants to study full-time 

42:45 - crypto + wallets 

48:30 - Bitcoin price predictions 

51:00 - Jon has tried to evangelize about bitcoin to his friends 

55:40 - Andreas Antonopoulos fangirling 

56:50 - Is is still worth buying bitcoin?

58:30 - Discussing how to predict the btc price 

59:50 - Jon is bad at arithmetic 

1:01:00 - Can bitcoin overtake the USD as the world's reserve currency?

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