In this conversation, we take you behind the scenes into the moments every practitioner knows but rarely talks about - the times when a session goes sideways, the client shuts down, the group gets tense… and the real issue isn’t the other person at all. It’s us.

We share personal stories of getting triggered, getting attached, getting judgy, and unintentionally making things harder for the very people we’re trying to help. And we explore the power of that humbling realization: when something feels off, the first place to look is inside.

This episode shines a light on the subtle ways our internal climate shapes the field, how quickly our own conditioning can slip into the work, and the profound shifts that happen when we come back to neutrality, presence, and trust.

It’s honest, human, vulnerable, and full of laughter, and it highlights one of the most important truths on the practitioner’s path: our own growth is always part of the work.

Thank you for listening!