With a smile and handshake, Joe met Travis Holdman at his gym...little did he know that Travis was a state senator of Indiana. But, that didn't stop Joe from pestering him until he agreed to sit and chat. Travis shares stories of his work in Haiti, sheds light on some current and past controversial bills, and offers a hopeful explanation as to why the government may not be as polarized as everyone thinks...well, at least not in Indiana. But before that, per the request of some curious listeners, Joe explains the meaning behind "Flying Sign" with a story of when and where it surfaced in his life.

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